Wednesday, April 18, 2012

TMI

Social Media - TMI

It's in the news - employers may incur serious liability if they try to restrict employees' comments on social media. What the reporters (and the National Labor Relations Board) seem to be largely ignoring is that employers may have serious problems if they don't set and enforce legitimate policies.
Consider what might happen if an employee discloses on Facebook the details of a confidential business transaction, tweets about a hospital's treatment of a patient, or posts defamatory (as opposed to merely insulting) comments about a supervisor on LinkedIn. It won't be just the employee who is on the hook for HIPAA violations, or defamation. And aside from legal liability, a business can't sit idly by and let employees publicly trash its reputation.







So what is the solution? The bad news is that there isn't a perfect solution. Reading through the summaries of NLRB decisions, only one thing is clear: even policies that seem to comport with common sense and the letter of the law may later be found too broad or otherwise out of compliance. This article provides some suggestions for creating or revamping a social media policy, but there are no guarantees.

  
The Basics

Federal law gives employees the right “to self-organization, to form, join, or assist labor organizations, to bargain collectively through representatives of their own choosing, and to engage in other concerted activities for the purpose of collective bargaining or other mutual aid or protection.” 

The protection for "concerted activity" means employees may discuss (and complain about) working conditions for the purpose of working together to improve those working conditions – including via social media.

Keep in mind these laws are not limited to union shops. The vast majority of private employers are subject to these laws.

 
In short, your policies must not restrict "concerted activity," and must be written so that employees would not "reasonably construe" the policies as restricting concerted activity.

Concerted Activity

One (of many) difficulties is that the presence of concerted activity is judged after the fact. An employee who posts a "personal gripe" on Facebook is not engaged in protected concerted activity. But if a couple of co-workers comment on her post, the NLRA may be implicated. If the complaint is about working conditions, and a co-worker suggests something that sounds like legal action, suddenly you've got protected activity.


          Working Conditions

Complaints about working conditions may include complaints about failure to pay overtime and other legal violations, but may also include the kind of vague grumbling that is common everywhere.
  • "I don't get paid enough to put up with this *(%^&; - I haven't had a raise in three years"
  • "We're out of supplies - again"
  • "Can you believe she got the promotion? I've been here twice as long and I was born more qualified!"
  • "John was disciplined for being a smartass - I'm sure he's not a happy camper"
  • "They always want to know who's taking breaks and how long, but they don't know how to tell people when they're doing a good job"
  • "Only bad behavior gets rewarded - honesty and integrity are a foreign language"
  • "They'd rather pay people minimum wage and get rid of the smarter people who earn more"
The NLRB summary notes that complaints about "mismanagement" and "the quality of supervision," "unfair" selection processes for promotions, scheduling, discipline, and low wages (even if there is nothing illegal about the wage rate) are all potentially protected complaints about working conditions.


          Working Together to Improve Working Conditions

There is no question that "Let's form a union and negotiate a raise" is protected concerted activity. But of course it's not that simple. The following are examples of comments that the NLRB found implied the employees were considering or preparing to discuss taking action...
  • "It would be pretty funny if all the good employees actually quit"
  • "This isn't over by a long shot" (Really!)
A tiny concession: clicking "Like" is not concerted activity; a co-worker must also respond (presumably agreeing that the working conditions should be improved), and someone must suggest taking action.


 What's An Employer To Do?


Subject to the lawyerly caveats above ("there are no guarantees"), the following prohibitions appear to be safe to include in your policies, if they are limited to prohibitions on what an employee can say with reference to the company:

  • Disclosing confidential information (such as non-public financial statements, trade secrets, customer lists, employee personal contact information, medical information, securities information, attorney-client privileged information, etc.).
    • But keep in mind you may not prohibit employees from sharing salary/wage information, disciplinary policies or decisions, promotional decisions, etc.
  • Obscene, threatening, intimidating, harassing, or profane postings
  • Postings which violate company anti-harassment policies (such as racist or sexist comments)
  • Disparaging company products or services
    • A general prohibition on disparaging the company, supervisors, or co-workers is too broad, however.
  • Disclosing new product lines or other marketing information, without authorization
A Few Other Pointers:
  • Your computer use and confidentiality policies should match your social media policy
  • Your solicitation policy must allow employees to "solicit" (i.e. pass out leaflets, invite people to meetings, post notices on your employee bulletin board, and discuss working conditions) when off duty and in non-working areas - that means during paid rest breaks and unpaid meal periods, in the employee lounge, and in the company parking lot. You may restrict this activity to areas where customers are not likely to be, and you may prohibit employees from soliciting co-workers while the co-workers are still on duty.
  • You may restrict employee's use of company computers, but the restriction should be across the board (not limited to complaints about work, social media, etc.): "No personal use of company computers" or "No accessing social media or personal email accounts on company computers" or "No personal use of company computers other than on break/lunch"
  • (This part is really hard to swallow!) You must include examples of permissible and prohibited comments, to ensure employees can't (mis)construe the policy to restrict concerted activity.
  • Generalized prohibitions (such as "Postings must be appropriate and professional") are too broad.
Finally, even if your policies are in order, the prevailing wisdom is this: if you become aware of problematic social media communications, and you are convinced you must take action,  you must be very, very sure you can demonstrate the discipline is in no way connected to anything that could possibly be construed as concerted activity.






Monday, February 6, 2012

First Quarter 2012 Newsletter






Business and Employment Law Update
First Quarter, 2012

Tips and suggestions, case reports, and
other helpful information for northwest businesses.

Lawyerly Caveat: This newsletter is for informational purposes, and is not and should not be construed as legal advice. For assistance with specific legal issues, consult an attorney.
Tip of the Day - Oregon
$8.80/hour is the minimum wage, effective 1/1/12

Tip of the Day – Washington
$9.04/hour is the minimum wage, effective 1/1/12

Tip of the Day – Federal
The new deadline for posting the
NLRA Employee Rights poster is January 31, 2012 April 30, 2012

New Year’s Resolutions


Seen on Facebook

Cat says, “What’s a New Year’s Resolution?”
Dog replies, “A To Do list for the month of January.”

Here are some suggested resolutions you might actually be able to keep within the month of January—so you can get on with the business of running your business! Other suggestions are included throughout this Newsletter.

• Update your employee handbook or personnel policies. Several significant legislative changes took place in 2011, and the courts have further interpreted existing laws (some of those changes are included in this Newsletter – more to follow). Also, if you’ve expanded, a larger workforce probably means additional laws govern your employment practices.

• Review your insurance coverage: Do you have employment practices liability coverage? If not, should you? If so, are you happy with it? Consider cost, coverage, flexibility in choosing your own defense counsel, deductible, and notice requirements, among other issues.

• Review your forms: Do your leave requests ensure you will know when to characterize employee absences as medical or family leave (that is, do they make it easy for employees to notify you of the potential OFLA/FMLA issue)? Do managers understand the confidentiality requirements for all medical documents? Do you have forms that facilitate documenting incidents and performance issues? Are your application forms and processes in compliance with current law?

Bench Notes and Legislative Updates

It’s good to keep tabs on cases in our circuit—it helps to know what not to do, and how judges and juries are interpreting the laws. Here, in no particular order, are a few updates from the courts and legislative bodies.

A sampling of the legislative updates:

• Employers may not require employees to use paid leave for jury duty, and may not cancel benefits during jury duty

• Victims of harassment (criminal or civil) are now entitled to the employment protections provided for victims of domestic violence, sexual assault, and stalking

• Arbitration agreements must be provided at least 72 hours prior to the first day at work (a change from prior law requiring two weeks’ notice), and must include specific statutory language

Even the government has its woes...

Right now, most of us aren’t feeling too kindly toward tax collecting agencies. Regardless of your feelings about who should be taxed and how much, it’s always painful when the deadline rolls around to get the checkbook out. But if you’ve ever been the subject of an audit or lawsuit regarding overtime wages, you may be glad to hear the Oregon Department of Revenue successfully defended a claim for unpaid overtime filed by one of its auditors. The Oregon Court of Appeals in Dinicola v. State of Oregon found that while the auditor was on leave from his auditing position to work as union president, he was an administrative employee, not entitled to overtime.

The case provides a refresher on the legal standards, as the court noted that: the auditor earned more than $455/week, which was “not subject to reduction because of variations in the quality or quantity of work”; in his role as union president, the auditor “directly assisted” in running the union's business “rather than carrying out its routine tasks”; and he exercised “discretion and independent judgment with respect to matters of significance,” which included “comparing and evaluating possible courses of conduct and acting or making a decision after considering the various possibilities.”

Another New Year’s Resolution: Conduct an internal payroll audit regarding the exempt/non-exempt status of your workforce.

Action Alert

The Oregon Bureau of Labor & Industries filed proposed Administrative Rule 839-005-0125, that, if enacted will greatly expand the definition of “opposing” and “retaliation.” The new rule will define “protected activity” to include “explicitly or implicitly opposing an unlawful practice or what the employee reasonably believed to be an unlawful practice,” and will find retaliation has occurred when “the employer has subjected the employee to any adverse treatment, in or out of the workplace, that is reasonably likely to deter protected activity, regardless of whether it materially affects the terms, conditions, or privileges of employment.”


The comment period officially ended December 30, 2011, but the proposed change is significant enough that interested parties may still want to submit comments to: Stef Plebanek c/o BOLI, 800 NE Oregon Street #1045, Portland, OR 97232, or via email to stefanie.plebanek@state.or.us.

LAST WORD: DRUG TESTING

It seems like a simple question: May I impose drug testing on applicants and employees? The answer is also (seemingly) simple: Yes – except when... Here are just a few of the pitfalls and considerations.


1. When will you impose testing? Pre-employment, random, for cause, after an incident resulting in injury and/or property damage, upon reasonable suspicion? What do you consider reasonable suspicion? (When a co-worker, who may or may not have a grudge, reports his own “suspicion”?)

2. Who will perform the test? Is the lab certified?

3. What will you do with a positive test? Will you re-test? Suspend and then re-test? Will the suspension be paid or unpaid? Will you offer last chance agreements? If so, under what circumstances? (Will you consider a last chance agreement if the employee discloses addiction after a failed drug test or discipline related to impairment?)

4. Who pays for the test?

This is far more complex than you might think! Pursuant to OAR 839-006-242(3), a pre-employment drug test is not a medical exam (which means you should be able to charge for it, and you don’t have to offer employment first), but section (4) of the rule says the employer must pay for all required medical exams and certifications, including drug tests. Under ORS 657.176 and interpreting regulations, a former employee fired for violating your drug policies will not be disqualified from receiving unemployment benefits if the employee was required to pay for the drug test (or if you don’t have a written policy, or if your written policy doesn’t define impairment). And ORS 659.840 and 659A.300 prohibit the imposition of a breathalyzer test, unless the test if voluntary or you have “reasonable grounds to believe that the individual is under the influence,” and the same statutes prohibit charging the employee for the test.

5. Do all your managers understand the disability law implications? (A positive drug test involving a prescription drug may require discussion of potential accommodations related to a disabling medical condition).

Although you are not required to have a written drug policy, you would be well advised to do so. It is a defense to many discrimination allegations that you were consistently following your known policies, but policies which are not in writing are not “known.” Also, a claim for unemployment benefits – which would normally be defeated for “misconduct connected with work” when an employee is terminated for violating drug policies – will succeed if the employer’s drug policy does not meet the Employment Department’s strict requirements, including that the policies are in writing, with proof of disbursement to the employees. In short, the final New Year’s Resolution proposal is this: review your drug use and drug testing policy, and update it if necessary!

Wednesday, December 7, 2011

Holiday Fundraiser

JOIN: Connecting the Street to a Home

Check out our fundraiser page at https://joinpdx.ejoinme.org/11475. Our goal is to raise $2,500 - enough to house a family and help them stay housed! Watch the donations counter rise and cheer with us as we reach our goal. All donations are tax deductible to you. Don't want to donate through Northwest Employment Law? Donate directly http://www.joinpdx.org/. The more the better, and every little bit helps.

2012 Update: Our wonderful friends, family, clients, and other supporters raised $1,050! The money went to help a family move into and stay in housing - thank you!

Friday, October 21, 2011

BOLI's 27th Annual Labor & Employment Conference

As in years past, this year's conference, scheduled for December 1 -2, promises a wealth of useful, practical information, provided by experienced area attorneys and helpful Oregon Bureua of Labor & Industries staff. Don't miss it--sign up now!

Attorney Shari Lane will be presenting Recruiting, Interviewing, and Hiring, on December 1, 2:30 - 4:00. Other presentations include Keeping Up With Healthcare Reform, by Tom Kramer; Managing Intermittent Leave in an ADAAA World, by Kathy Hindman; Hurricane I-9, by Ron Guerra; BOLI and EEOC Claims Process, by a BOLI panel; and too much more to list here!





To register, go to http://www.oregon.gov/BOLI/TA/docs/BOLI-Conference-Flyer-2011.pdf, print up a flyer and registration form, and relay the form via FAX or mail to the fax number/mailing address on the form.

Monday, September 26, 2011

Another Link

Northwest Employment Law just joined a new website that allows users to search a subtantial network of service providers. Check us out at Employment Law Advice, Defense, and Mediation
and take a look at the other useful links Thumbtack provides!

Monday, September 12, 2011

Newsletter - GINA, the ADA, and More


Business and Employment Law Update
Third Quarter, 2011

Tips and suggestions, case reports, and
other helpful information for northwest businesses.






Lawyerly Caveat:


This newsletter is for informational purposes,


and is not and should not be construed as legal advice.


For assistance with specific legal issues, consult an attorney.



Tip of the Day - Oregon
Oregon employers not covered by COBRA (20 or more employees) are required to offer extended health insurance coverage to eligible employees, at the employee’s expense, under ORS 743.610.





Tip of the Day: Washington
Violations of Washington’s Safety and Health Act carry potential penalties of more than $26,000. Washington’s Department of Labor & Industries offers no-risk consultations (no penalties will be assessed, although the business will be required to correct any problems identified). www.lni.wa.gov/Safety/Basics/Assistance/Consultation/about.asp

Bench Notes
It’s good to keep tabs on cases in our circuit—it helps to know what not to do, and how judges and juries are interpreting the laws. Here, in no particular order, is the latest news from the courts.

Workers Compensation: Cave Canem
In Sandberg v. J.C. Penney, the court rejected the WCB’s denial of benefits for an injury incurred when the claimant, walking from her home to her garage (where her sales samples were kept), tripped on her dog. The court said: “If an employer, for its own advantage, demands that a worker furnish the work premises, the risks of those premises encountered in connection with the performance of work are risks of the work environment, even if they are outside of the employer's control, and injuries resulting from those risks arise out of the employment.”

Overworked = Good Cause to Quit
In Warkentin v. Employment Department, the Oregon Court of Appeals found an employee was entitled to unemployment benefits, even though she stated she quit because she was overworked. Normally, “too much work” would disqualify a claimant from benefits. This case was unique, however. The claimant was experiencing severe depression, and her requests for assistance, time off, and/or a reduced workload were repeatedly rejected. The last straw occurred when she walked in to find two “two foot high” stacks of papers and 105 messages. In spite of her employer’s admonition that she just needed to work more efficiently, the court found it telling that four people were hired to do her work, after she quit.




GINA



At one point in the most recent remake of the movie Titanic, a business tycoon says with a sniff of disdain, “Freud? Who is he? A passenger? Never heard of him.” In the same vein, we might be tempted to say: “GINA? Who is she? Never heard of her.” The fate of the Titanic should deter such dismissive thoughts! The Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act went into effect in 2008, and the EEOC interpretive rules went into effect last year.

The law boils down to this: A covered entity shall not request, require, or purchase genetic information about an applicant or employee; shall not discriminate against an applicant or employee based on genetic information; and shall keep all properly acquired genetic information confidential.

Sounds simple, but where the rubber meets the road is in the definition of “genetic information.” It’s easy to inadvertently run afoul of GINA, because nearly every major medical condition has a genetic component. Consider the following seemingly innocuous situations:

• Anne tells you she’s been diagnosed with breast cancer. You say, “Oh, Anne, I’m so sorry! Is there a history of that in your family? Because my grandmother had it, and I’m wondering if I should start getting more frequent mammograms…”

You’ve just asked about her genetic history.

• Mark’s son is autistic, and he’s shared with co-workers the educational and therapeutic systems he and his wife have used. You say, “How is your daughter doing? Has she shown any signs of autism?”

You’ve just asked about the family’s genetic history.

There are exceptions for inadvertently obtaining information—but no-one wants to be on the other side of a government inquiry about whether the “acquisition” of information was intentional or inadvertent!

Best practices guidelines:

• When you properly receive genetic information (see exceptions, below), make sure to keep it in the separate file where all medical information is kept (an ADA requirement)

• Never allow your (properly acquired) knowledge of any genetic history to affect your employment decisions. This is more easily said than done. Consider another hypothetical:

Your company employs both Rob and his father. Rob’s father suffered a massive heart attack recently. You happen to know—because Rob volunteered the information—that Rob’s doctor told Rob he’s also at risk for heart disease. Rob applies for a promotion that involves significant physical exertion and stress. An entirely human response would be to reject Rob’s application—you don’t want to put him at risk for a heart attack. Rejecting Rob’s application would violate GINA (and the ADA, unless Rob has asked for accommodation and your rejection of his application occurs after the interactive process).

Best practice: offer Rob the position (if he qualifies), require a pre-employment physical (if you require such a physical of all employees in that position)—making sure to notify the examining doctor that you do not want genetic information—and then promote Rob if the exam shows he’s physically capable.

• Any time you are requesting medical information (pre-employment physical, medical leave request, disability accommodation, short term disability insurance, fitness for duty exam, etc.), NOTIFY the medical provider that you are specifically NOT seeking genetic information except as specifically allowed by law. The EEOC provided the following model language:

“The Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act of 2008 (“GINA”) prohibits employers and other entities covered by GINA Title II from requesting or requiring genetic information of an individual or family member of the individual, except as specifically allowed by this law. To comply with this law, we are asking that you not provide any genetic information when responding to this request for medical information. ‘Genetic information’ as defined by GINA includes an individual’s family medical history, the results of an individual’s or family members genetic tests, the fact that an individual or an individual’s family member sought or received genetic services, and genetic information of a fetus carried by an individual or an individual’s family member or an embryo lawfully held by an individual or family member receiving assistive reproductive services.”

GINA includes limited exceptions for which an employer or other covered entity may request and obtain genetic information:

1. Pursuant to a request for family or medical leave (under the FMLA or state law), or a request for disability accommodation, so long as the employer’s request for information is strictly limited to information needed to evaluate the employee’s request;

For example, in our hypothetical situation regarding “Rob,” you could legitimately request and obtain information about Rob’s heart disease if he asked for accommodation or medical leave—but you could not ask for other genetic information (predisposition to diabetes, for instance)

2. Related to a workers compensation claim, if the insurer needs information to show a claimed illness or injury is not compensably work-related but rather occurred due to genetic pre-disposition/history; or

3. Related to an employer-sponsored wellness program (very strict limitations apply—consult a lawyer if you plan to utilize this exception).

A couple of miscellaneous notes about GINA:

• GINA also includes restrictions on insurers—if you are self-insured, consult an attorney
• GINA governs employers with 15 or more employees. Oregon and Washington law contain similar restrictions on smaller employers.

According to Jeanne Goldberg, Senior Attorney Advisor for the EEOC, GINA was not enacted in response to rampant abuse by employers, but rather in anticipation of problems. The goal, according to Ms. Goldberg, is to remind employers that one’s genetic history and predispositions –the likelihood of getting a disease—is not relevant to hiring, promotion, or any other employment decision.










HOT OFF THE PRESSES: Two years after the enactment of the Americans With Disabilities Act Amendments Act (“ADAAA”), the EEOC has issued regulations interpreting the ADAAA. (Continued from Second Quarter Newsletter)

The Basics: The ADA defines “disability” as “a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more major life activities,” and provides protection to a person who has such an impairment, has a record of such an impairment, or is regarded as having such an impairment. The ADAAA instructed the EEOC to redefine “substantially limits” to include greater coverage under the Act.




What’s New: PART TWO

Historically, the first step in evaluating a request for accommodation (or responding to a claim of disability discrimination) was to ascertain whether the individual met the criteria defining “disability.” Under the ADAAA, that evaluation will be brief and is practically meaningless. The nine criteria established for the evaluation are as follows:

1. Construe the ADA broadly, in favor of coverage

2. Impairment need not “prevent or severely restrict” a major life activity

3. “ An extensive analysis” is not required; the primary focus should be on the person’s qualifications, and whether accommodation is needed

4. Individualized assessment, using lower threshold for “substantially limited” than pre-ADAAA

5. Compare individual’s ability to perform a major life activity to others’ ability—medical or scientific information will “usually” not be required

6. Mitigating measures (such as medication that alleviate the effects of the condition) may not be considered—except eyeglasses

That means if an employee shows no signs of “substantial limitation” because of her medication, but would be substantially limited without medication, the condition qualifies as a disability

7. A condition that is episodic or in remission may be a disability if substantially limiting when active

8. Only one major life activity must be substantially limited

9. There is no minimum duration—an impairment lasting less than six months may qualify as a “disability.”

In summary, the criteria do little to help employers evaluate a specific condition, but rather serve as a nine-point reminder that most medical conditions will likely qualify for ADA protection, and the employer’s focus must be on whether accommodation is needed and feasible.

TO BE CONTINUED …







LAST WORD: CONFIDENTIALITY




The Oregonian recently ran an editorial scolding the city of Portland for failing to protect its public employee whistleblowers, complaining that the city failed even to maintain the confidentiality of the complaining employees’ identities, as promised.

Had the editorialist asked me (they never do), I would have said such promises are necessarily empty. It is usually impossible to investigate a complaint without identifying the complainant (or giving the interviewee enough information to identify the complainant). However, the issue of confidentiality—and the related issue of employee privacy—is worth further discussion.

Even companies that are fully engaged in protecting their own confidentiality (trade secrets, proprietary information, etc.) sometimes neglect to consider potential exposure from failing to notify employees of the limits on their right to privacy and confidentiality in the workplace, and failing to safeguard that confidentiality, where appropriate. The following questions may help you assess how well your organization addresses these issues:

1. Does your employee handbook remind employees they should have no expectation of privacy in emails, texts, voicemails, Facebook posts, and other communications relayed during working hours or on company equipment, and that you reserve the right to access such communications?

2. If you monitor emails, internet use, and/or the physical facility (through the use of security cameras), have you notified employees, and taken steps to minimize the invasiveness of such monitoring?

3. When an internal complaint is lodged, do you remind supervisors not to engage in or allow gossip about the complaint (which can be or can be construed as retaliatory)?

4. Do you maintain separate files for medical information (disability accommodation requests, workers compensation, medical leave requests, etc.), apart from personnel files?

5. Do you have a procedure for preserving the confidentiality of investigations, to the extent possible? For example, do you keep a separate file for the complaint and investigative notes, accessible only to supervisors with a need to know?

Friday, August 19, 2011

An Inexact Science

You know the line from the song: Mamas, don’t let your babies grow up to be cowboys. . . . Make ‘em be doctors and lawyers instead.



I’m here to tell you doctors and lawyers have their own problems, and riding a horse all day looks pretty appealing, sometimes.

I recently had the less-than-pleasant experience of emergency surgery (and to quote Forrest Gump, “That’s all I have to say, about that”). The emergency was caused by the fact that no less than three doctors—specialists all—were surprised by the outcome of what was supposed to be a minor procedure, and could not explain what to expect with any precision and certainty.

Afterward, it occurred to me that lawyers suffer from the same problem. Employment law, in particular, is an inexact science; it deals with messy and unpredictable elements such as emotions and motives. A client may ask me how to deal with a particular situation, and I cannot give him an answer that is guaranteed to avoid a lawsuit.

So why consult a lawyer?

I can tell you what is absolutely prohibited (or required) by law. I can tell you what has “worked” in the past. I can tell you how courts have viewed various situations. And I can be your objective observer, helping you see hidden bias, or what might be perceived by a fact-finder as bias. I can help you choose the words least likely to inflame the situation, and most likely to properly document your decision-making process. Last but not least, I can tell you the range of potential costs, in the event a claim is filed in spite of your best efforts.

The really heavy lifting falls to you. You know the employee best—is she likely to fly off the handle? Assume the worst? File a claim first and ask questions later? And you know how much risk your company is willing to absorb.

More often than not, your choices are limited: terminate a disruptive, insubordinate, or poorly performing employee who happens to be in a protected class, and accept the risk; or continue to work with him because the problems have not been sufficiently documented and the potential cost of litigation is too high. (Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place!)



Being in this position has given me some empathy for the doctors who treated me (though that didn’t stop me from indulging in a little pity-party about the results).

And it has led me to this conclusion:

Mamas, if your babies want to grow up to be cowboys, let ‘em.